P.I.P. - Paper based decision

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P.I.P. - Paper based decision

Postby macca » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:39 am

Hi all, I'm just wondering if anyone on here has been through the Personal Independence Payment application process and had DWP make a paper based decision?

If so what information did you provide with your application?

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Re: P.I.P. - Paper based decision

Postby naddylou » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:13 pm

I have just sent my pip forms off. Having been through this so many times with benefits over the last 15yrs ive had 1 medical.
They best help i can give u is to make sure u guve the details of All medical proffessionals uve seen.
Also if u have any letters stating ur conditions,diasnosis etc.Then include a copy in with ur form.
if u want any other help feel free to add me on facebook. Nadine Williams
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Postby Patsb » Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:37 pm

I included all the letters I had received from various hospital depts.concerning tests I'd had done.also I paid £10 to have all my medical records dating back 6 years to be photocopied at my surgery and sent them also.it only took my gp a week to get them ready and they were very useful.i was surprised to see some tests I'd had done some yrs ago ( liver function being one) had come back as abnormal although nothing was said to me at the time!!
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Postby macca » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:04 pm

So Patsb did that result in a paper based assessment?, I.e. A decision was arrived at without the need for a face to face medical assessment?

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Postby g1ng3r2k6 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:50 pm

Paper based is the first part of the application. Depending on condition and age they might approve straight away, unfortunately with fibro it's not that simple from mine and people I know, If this is your first time and end up with a medical I strongly suggest that you only place what would be worst possible day. And be same when have a medical.
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Postby Patsb » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:54 pm

macca wrote:So Patsb did that result in a paper based assessment?, I.e. A decision was arrived at without the need for a face to face medical assessment?

Mac

No I had a home medical as I'm agoraphobic but I didn't have to do anything apart from answer questions . The lady was really nice and it was done in an hour.
Good luck with yours X .
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Postby macca » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:24 pm

Cheers Patsb, I'm not actually the sufferer, it my good lady, otherwise known as ' the Govenor' :mrgreen:

Time will tell how this one goes.

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Postby ambereye » Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:05 pm

In my experience, virtually everyone has to have a face to face PIP assessment. This is a big change from the DLA days. When the letter comes saying where to go for the assessment, you can ring and request to try to get a home assessment or ask for a centre closer to home.

As other people above have said, tell your wife to get as much medical evidence together as possible. A good resource on Facebook is an organisation called 'Fightback' which gives advice on ESA & PIP and can support with assessments, appeals etc. Another good one, Google 'Benefits & Work', for a small subscription they have guides and info re ESA & PIP.

All the best.
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Postby macca » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:33 am

Hi all, well despite submitting a Pip application for my wife that was extremely detailed and was approaching 300 pages long, yesterday she had here face to face consultation. It was an experience for sure and despite the multitude of documented evidence provided with the application, the session still lasted 2 and a quarter hours!!

Waiting game now.

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Postby fletch » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:46 pm

Just had my face to face what a stich up they didn't have any of the consultants letters there they had no information I sent in all trick questions to make out your lying felt like shooting myself my be a revolver will be there for treatment :crazy:
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Re: P.I.P. - Paper based decision

Postby macca » Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:18 pm

Care of the DWP website, as at January 2016,..... 691,428 people were successfully claiming Pip. Of that number 24108 claimants are Fibromyalgia sufferers, doesn't sound much but Fibro ranks 6th on the list of medical problems that the award is based on. Top 6 are :

1. Mixed anxiety and depressive disorders - 60731

2. Osteoarthritis -31328

3. Mood disorders - 28777

4. Copd - 24282

5. specific back pain - 24181

6. fibromyalgia - 24108

All together there are 458 medical problems that the Pip awards are based on.

There is hope guys.

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Postby ScottishWoman62 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:15 pm

i was getting pip untill this month, a lady came to my house as i live 50miles outside town, this is a nearly 2 years since my first pip appointment,and i know im worse than be for, but never got it this time, i have appealed, will let you know outcome Brenda
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Postby sjc » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:13 pm

Hi there folks, not been on here for a very long time, so decided to catch up on things. Hope you are all doing OK.

I have been awarded PIP - no medical assessment involved/fairly quick process - so cannot complain in that sense...but I have other medical conditions on top of Fibromyalgia, so bear that in mind.

I have got on low rate mobility on PIP now, but on DLA I got higher rate mobility....so the DWP have really tightened up the criteria folks now....but I know all cases are different....but from my experience, and even having severe fibromyalgia with mental health issues on top, I couldn't get enhanced rate mobility component..

I not complaining too much, as I know folks, I am very lucky compared to some, but I think I was lucky if you can look at it in this way in that I got fibro with mental health diagnosis' on top - so I think its a case with PIP that the more diagnoses and complex issues you have, then the more points you may or may not get..

Sorry to sound blunt, but just being honest. So sorry to sound very clinical here.

The only thing I can advise you all is to put as much evidence in your forms, and as much detail in the form boxes....and research the PIP point scoring system, so you are aware on how they score you.....you sadly have to be your own secretary these days with these forms.

It obviously helps if you have a medical person backing you up and can put in a letter in for you, but I know not all gp's/specialist are that helpful.

But on my letter from DWP, they used the excuse that I could use crutches to help me with my mobility, so this was one excuse. I can understand some people can use crutches, so everyone's individual...but I wouldn't be able to use crutches as they would cause me more pain on my arms, and I would be more fatigued using them.

The DWP are using this 20-metre rule with or without aids, on the mobility component, especially for the enhanced rate.... don't know if anyone is aware of that when they assess walking distances...but in my opinion, I think it is alittle too restrictive as by the time you walk from your front door to the car and back, you have done 20-metres...so what are the DWP expect you to do when moving around - skip, hope, and jump?

I would love to know if anyone has got enhanced rate mobility just on fibromyalgia - sorry to sound noisy, but I personally feel that this new criteria is not friendly and understanding with fibromyalgia as a physical problem at all.

Take care folks....all the best :-D
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Re: P.I.P. - Paper based decision

Postby macca » Fri May 06, 2016 12:39 pm

Hi all, well as much as a paper based decision would have saved my wife the trauma of a face to face assessment, following a significantly lengthy and detailed application, the face to face assessment did take place.

I'm pleased to say that common sense has prevailed, and having considered her application and wealth of medical and non medical support information, along with the face to face assessment findings, DWP has awarded my wife PIP High Rate Care and High Rate Mobility for 3 years.

And breathe .......... :crazy:

Have to say at 3 months to get through the PIP process, it was nothing like the 15 month battle that we went through to secure ESA for her but we're certainly glad it's over for a while at least.

Good luck to all who are going through this process, and if there is one piece of advice I would give it would be to ensure that you gather and submit as much evidence to support the claim as you possibly can, including support from your GP. I've said it before, see this as a jigsaw, assume the decision maker knows nothing about you, put all of the pieces of the puzzle into place for them in order that they can see the full picture.

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Re: P.I.P. - Paper based decision

Postby sjc » Fri May 06, 2016 3:15 pm

Good news. Glad to hear it. Just out of curiosity and sorry to sound very cheeky, but did they just award the high rate mobility just on the diagnosis of fibromyalgia alone. I know I sound personal it just I'm very curious how many fibromyalgia patients alone will succeed in getting the right mibility award. Hope u take care. Xxx
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