ESA work related activity group

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ESA work related activity group

Postby Bebbe » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:26 pm

Hi everyone, I had my 1st wrag appointment with Ingeus on Thursday I told my advisor that my pain is different from day to day and what I do one day will effect me the next and that I'm on new medication (I mainly have lower back pain). He didn't seem to take any of this into consideration he was more interested in that I'd worked as a cleaner for 15 years the last 5 as a supervisor and that he would be surprised if he didn't have me a job within 4 weeks CLEANING! again, even though I told him I have trouble bending and mopping is very painful. I came out in a daze. I'm in pain 24/7 but he still expects me to work as a cleaner doing light duties in my experience cleaning is never light ( I can't even do my own house work).
Anyway I was just wondering should I get in touch with my advisor at the job centre as he told me I did not have to look for work or apply for work as I don't feel up to working at the moment until I can get my Fm under control.
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby FluppyPuffy » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:42 pm

I think you should get in touch with them again Bebbe. I'd also print up some info about FM to give them, along with details of how you are affected. It probably wouldn't hurt either, to explain why you now can't work in the cleaning field as well.

There doesn't seem to be any continuity in these WFIs, the ones that have been mentioned on here are absolutely nothing like what I had before I was moved into the Support Group.

The basis of my interview was to see how I was, see whether I might be in a position in the next 3-6 months to start taking steps with the aim of eventually getting back into some form of employment, and if I was in a suitable position, to let me know that funding was available for training/retraining and courses that could help me.

Typically, I was being offered a chance to try and do something new and I'm not in a suitable state to be able to make the most of the things :facepalm: :facepalm:

At no point was the idea of quickly getting me back into work raised, it was all about what was available if I wanted to do anything. Maybe I was fortunate with who I saw, as I seem to have been fairly lucky with most of the people I've seen with FM related stuff
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby Bebbe » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:25 pm

Hi Fluppypuffy, I did print out information on Fm from the nhs site but I forgot to get him to read it (He was such a gobshite :lol: ) and I've just started taking Gabapentin so I wasn't really on this planet (which I told him), He told me that I'd been put on esa wrag which means I'm fit to work and that I had the perfect opportunity to try before I buy basis before I commit to any job, I just couldn't get through to him that being on my feet more than 10 mins causes me a lot of pain, then he went on to ask if I would consider laundry work I had just told him I couldn't stand for long! :facepalm: Then I was asked to write up a cv and send it via email (He didn't give me his email address) It was like :banghead:
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby FluppyPuffy » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:04 pm

I wouldn't have been surprised if he was more interested in meeting his target Bebbe, instead of treating you as the person you are :facepalm: :facepalm: I wonder if you can change the adviser you see?? Might that be something to look into?? At the very least it might give the one you saw a kick up the jacksie and help teach him a few people skills.

Sorry I'm not much help to you Bebbe :( :(
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby Woodentop » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:16 pm

They seem to employ people with disabilities themselves - they are obviously all deaf!
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby Ldyalb » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:36 pm

Could you perhaps get your Dr to explain that you can no longer do physical work?

I'm currently awaiting my ESA medical (my GP is already thinking about the appeal, that's how bad it is, insane) but my GP has told me under no circumstances am I to do any physical work and nothing which involves being on my feet, lots of lifting/bending etc.

I know the powers that be don't really listen to our Drs much but this individual might be made to see sense with a note. It's worth a try if nothing else.

I'd also correct the bloke you saw, you haven't been found 'fit for work', you've been found to have limited capacity for work, if you'd been found fully fit you'd be on JSA. So basically they've decided that you could be capable of doing some work with the right support, as opposed to being a fully healthy person who can physically do anything within their mental capacity, qualifications and experience.
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby denys » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:54 pm

I agree try and get a doctors note explaining what you can and cant do and correct his thinking about the group you are in :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby Bebbe » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:17 am

Hi everyone, I don't know if my doctor would write me a letter as my doctors are useless as well, I was given a possible diagnoses of fm from a neurologist and my doctor won't send me to see a specialist for a definite diagnoses, I have also been waiting for an appointment for the heavy period clinic which she conveniently forgot to inform the hospital :banghead:.Anyway I only see this bloke at Ingeus for 4 weeks then I'm passed onto to someone else hopefully with sense :fingerscrossed:
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby Ldyalb » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:38 pm

yes with luck the next person will understand what ESA actually is and not confuse it with Jobseekers.

I would try your GP, or try a different one at the surgery, see if you can find someone who understands FM better. If not you could try switching to a different surgery if there are any others in your area.
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby Bebbe » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:37 pm

Hi everyone, I have had my second wrag appointment I took a print out from the nhs site about fm and underlined parts of it that effects me, My advisor had a quick glance at it and has finally realised that a cleaning job would not be suitable for me, But he asked if I would be willing to be a non working supervisor I replied no, if my staff didn't show up for work then I would have to stand in for them CLEANING! This man will not take no for an answer :facepalm: anyway I get to see someone else in two weeks time. I'm seriously considering whether to go back the hassle of it and the pains I get using public transport really aren't worth the extra £28 a week :-|
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby Ldyalb » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:16 pm

Chances are if you don't go back you'll lose your benefit and to claim JSA you'd need to be actively seeking work, which you're not really in a position to do atm.

I would hold out and see the new person - you may strike lucky and get someone more sensible. I'd also advise you to contact Remploy and The Shaw Trust - they've been in the game of getting disabled people in to work for a long time. I've not had any dealings with the Shaw Trust but have found Remploy to be pretty good in terms of the advice they give, and the fact that they sit down with you, discuss your diability/ies and look at what you can and can't do. They don't just try and force you in to any old job, they help you find the right kind of work for you.
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby Bebbe » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:20 am

I'm going to see what this other person has to offer, But I was told by my advisor at the job centre that I did not have to look for work or apply for any jobs, I feel like I'm being pressured by Ingeus into taking any job and its really stressing me out. :(
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby Ldyalb » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:47 am

It's wrong that they're pressurising you - they're paid by results so obviously they want you in a job. However from what I've read they don't get paid until you've been working at least 6 months so it is in their interest to get you a suitable job at a later date, rather than a cleaning job which you may end up having to leave after a few weeks.

I'd speak to your advisor and say that they're pressurising you and not listening to or appreciating the fact that Fibro means you have limitations on what you can do. If the new person is no use either perhaps you could ask if they could refer you to a different company for these interviews? Explain to them that their unhelpful attitude is causing you stress, which makes your Fibro worse and isn't constructive long term.

I really hope the next person you see is more helpful and will actually listen to you properly.
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby scartlass » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:10 pm

i had my first interview at the job centre,the first thing the lady said was "you don't have to work or even look for work" she asked me about my illness and how it affects me, she said "i can't see how you would manage to work also said healthy people can't get jobs never mind people like you with your problems, she said someone would phone me to arrange another interview, that was last April and i haven't heard anything since then.

so i think that upstart you spoke to have no idea what wrag is all about, try not to stress your self out about it, i know that's difficult, but i'm sure they can't make you take a job'

hope the next person you see have at least an ounce of common sence. :goodluck2:
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Re: ESA work related activity group

Postby Bebbe » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:52 pm

My advisor at the job centre also told me I did not have to look for work or apply for work he was really nice and understood about my condition, :-) but the clowns at Ingeus are pushing me into looking for work I guess it looks good for them forcing another person off Esa.
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