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Assessment time :)

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Assessment time :)

Postby Atom » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:20 pm

Hello all.

I've just received the summons for my medical, sorry, assessment, no that's to formal, perhaps Monty Python like interrogation/fiasco would be more appropriate from ATOS. Any advice would be a great help. I plan not to take any s**t from them, going to push them as hard as I expect to be pushed by them. All in the nicest and most polite possible way of course :-)

Going to take the wife and log everything down including the assessors credentials, or lack of.

Will keep you posted so that my experience will hopefully benefit others.
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby fliss » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:11 pm

is it for dla or esa as i hav had both and my esa one was a breeze just go as u normally r everyday and tell them the truth wat u r like on ur worst day and dont do wat i did i fell asleep and left her and my hubby to it lol but i got a lovely report from her and im now in receipt of top money in the support group and she also put that in her eyes i wud never return to work ,now here goes dla one the guy came and was nice to talk to he seemed really supportive yes well ermm his report wasnt he lied thru his back teeth and now im at tribunal stage.but each case is different as we all r different but my suggestion is to go and be truthful and then cross ur fingers good luck hope all goes well xx
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby Atom » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:56 pm

Thanks for the reply fliss. It is for ESA. I've been waiting about fifteen weeks to hear from them, personally I'd rather not hear from them, and it's stressing me out already, I only got informed about it today.
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby Debzjm » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:16 pm

Thanks for that, I've got my medical assessment on the 16th and have been stressing about it.
I've got a letter from my Gp and my sickness record, return to work interviews and exit interviews fro
my old employer. To show that I did try to carry on working but even on reduced hours I struggled to carry on.
Hopefully with that and explaining my good days and bad days. I'll get a favourable report from them.
I dnt know whether to use my crutches on the day which I use on a bad day.
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby Ldyalb » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:06 pm

I would use your crutches Debzjm. Even if you don't use them, at least take them with you just in case. Besides, you have to take with you anything you use for support inc. meds, glasses, walking aids etc anyway.

I had one of the worst Fibro days ever on the day of my medical. A combination of the sheer stress I was under, and the fact I had sex twice the night before. That meant my legs were bad.

I passed the medical. Was put in the WRAG which I feel is the right place for me.

I felt worse after the medical due to being prodded and poked and having to demonstrate movement. I didn't force anything, as soon as it hurt I stopped. So if you may well be glad of the crutches afterwards to help you get out of the building.

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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby bumblebee57 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:13 am

Hi. good luck with that. Its a stressful time but Im sure we are all behind you. And Fliss, I loved your comment about falling asleep. Priceless,lol!!
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby Atom » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:13 pm

Thank you for replying everyone and good luck with your assessment Debzjm.

Having a major sensation flare at the moment, spent most of yesterday in bed. Got to do my hydro-therapy prior to my assessment so I should be totally knackered. Makes me laugh though. Please read this post of mine: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10713 ATOS never contacted my friends GP or anything and they were supposed to be assessed at the centre where I am going. I'm sure they just pull our forms out of a hat or something :crazy:
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby Atom » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:34 pm

Still flaring at the moment, managed my hydrotherapy today but stressed right out. Can't even have a shave as the facial sensations are driving me crazy. They get worse when I shave, I just want to rip my face off.

Phoned ATOS this morning to find out who I will be seeing next Wednesday. They gave me the number for my local interrogation office. I phoned and enquired as to who I would be seeing for my WCA. The lady stated that she could not tell me as she did not know who would be performing the 'medical assessment', and I quote "MEDICAL ASSESSMENT". I corrected her of course and I don't think that she liked it. Well she better get used to it as next week we will be having alot of fun, anyone seen the interview at the start of Bladerunner, without the shooty bit of course :shooting:

She then informed me that there would be three members of staff on that day; two nurses and one doctor. Well, one in three chance of seeing a doc'. I managed to get their names, I will get alot more next week, and stated that the last time I had seen a nurse was about seventeen years ago when I thought I had fractured a rib; apart from all the routine blood tests of course. Don't think that she liked this also. I then asked if the staff were specialists in Fibromyalgia. She replied that they were familiar. I asked if their 'familiarity' consisted of the "ATOS Continuing Medical Education Programme Fibromyalgia - Guidelines for the Disability Analyst". Don't think that she liked this either as she quickly stated that all members of staff have dealt with patients with Fibromyalgia.

Oh well. I might as well start as I mean to go on :crazy:
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby Atom » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:03 am

Received a phone call from ATOS yesterday. Odd, as I never gave them my number, just an email address. Must have obtained it from the DWP.

Apparently they have cancelled my appointment next week due to there being no 'doctor' present. Have now mutually arranged a new one, apparently with a 'doctor', with them for next month. I also enquired as to why no-one has contacted my doctor with regard to medical evidence etcetera. The lady stated that they have my ESA50 details and, here's the best bit, they will believe whatever I tell them :lol:

Wonder if it had anything to do with my previous phone call to them :?:
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby *Lisa* » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:46 am

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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby Ldyalb » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:12 pm

'Think of all the beauty still left around you and be happy' - Anne Frank

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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby Atom » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:13 pm

Here's some more information: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/i ... ing-273952 & http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/dwp? ... mit=Search

All can be found at: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com

This site is really useful :-D

What we should all remember is that just because we are sick, it does not mean that we are stupid. We have a right to question the questioners. When the day comes when we cannot exercise this basic right then we will be living in sad times indeed. Just make sure that you correct them when they are clearly wrong, if they don't like it, tough. They rely on us all sitting there and taking it, don't let them get away with it.

The following is from the World Health Organization of which I believe we are a member: http://www.who.int/en/

"Is fibromyalgia included in the International Classification of Diseases?

Fibromyalgia is included in the Tenth Revision of the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD-10) published by WHO in 1992 as follows:

M79 Other soft tissue disorders, not elsewhere classified
M79.0 Rheumatism, unspecified
Fibromyalgia
Fibrositis"

More here. Look at 'A6' of the 'Equality Act 2010: http'://odi.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wor/new/ea-guide.pdf

And a few favourites of mine from the Matrix:

"What is "real"? How do you define "real"?"

"If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

Kind Regards All.
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby Atom » Mon May 14, 2012 3:33 pm

Well my wife and I have just got back from the WCA. Here is the tale...

Arrived in at the ATOS centre and waited about nine minutes prior to the WCA. I took details of the ATOS/DWP contract with me, regarding the waiting time of ten minutes prior to the WCA if you arrive early, and gladly shared these with another person who had been waiting about fifteen minutes already. I also had a good complain about the toilet as the sink was so low that I had to bend down to use it, there was no hand towels so I had to use toilet paper and the bin had no 'foot control' so I had to touch the dirty thing with my clean hands. There was also a small sliding door set in the wall of the toilet, behind which you could hear people talking and light was shining through.

As stated in an earlier post my previous appointment was cancelled due to no doctor being available. Today's appointment was supposed to be with a doctor, guess what? No doctor!!! I was seen by a bloody nurse!!! They lied to me, though I did half expect this anyway and have already contacted ATOS with regard to making a formal complaint about this deception.

The nurse was shocked when I stated the above and said, "A doctor! For Fibromyalgia!" :shock:

She asked me if I knew why I was there today, to which I replied that I was there for a WCA. She looked surprised and stated, "No, you're here for a 'functionality assessment'". What the hell is that supposed to be :-?

The rest was a load of rubbish. She had no interest in any of my conditions or how they effected me. She did not want to know about the symptoms I have with Fibromyalgia, IBS or the acid reflux. She only loosely enquired about sleeping and fatigue. I did not allow her to restrict me to one word answers however 8-)

My wife took notes of the whole process. Prior to this she was read the riot act by the nurse. She stated, from a card, that the notes must not be given to the press, are only for my use and that the DWP would not take the notes into account, they cannot be used in court and that we cannot publish them. S**t!!! I nearly jumped up and shouted 'Hail Hitler!!!!' I think that she is forgetting the fact that at no time did either of us sign anything to that effect :swear1:

The physical exam was a farce. I have ongoing issues with my feet. I get severe, crippling pain that no-one has been able to explain. Doctors have suggested gout, due to my high urate levels, extra bones and Fibromyalgia. I have had this for about nine years and when they flare up they look normal. The nurse made me take my shoes and socks off and stared at my feet for awhile then stated, "I don't have x-ray eyes'.

The best thing of all was her face when I offered her a nice bag full of excrement. My IBS has been really bad lately and when it is like this I always take a bin-bag or two with me, some wet-wipes also, just in case I can't get to the toilet. Well on the way up I had to go, I had no choice. So I bagged it up as usual and offered it to her as 'example A', don't think that she liked it one bit. At least she can't say that I don't give a s**t!!! :lol:

Continuing with the toilet talk. I had to go during the assessment and guess what? The nurse left just after me and I could hear her on the phone in the room adjacent to the loo through the small sliding door. My wife said that she came back in just before I did.

To round up my experience with ATOS I would like to say the following:

1. The building was rather drab and lacked ambience.

2. The staff, although full of fake smiles, were about as much use as a chocolate fire-guard.

3. The ablutions were unsatisfactory. I almost fell into a vicious cycle of OCD after washing my hands after touching the dirty bin after washing my hands after touching the dirty bin after washing my hands after touching the dirty bin...

4. I thought that the 'functionality Assessment' could've been better. They could for instance have considered my medical conditions and how they effect me, oh, and the 'assessor' needs some x-ray glasses.

5. Finally. I would like to congratulate the current government, and ATOS, on a thoroughly stressful, painful and miserable experience. And, if I had my way, I would not be accepting another 'assessment' at their establishment.

Roll on the tribunal!!!
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby Atom » Mon May 14, 2012 4:49 pm

Sorry, forgot to mention this earlier. When I stated that I have Gilberts Syndrome, an inherited gene mutation, she argued that it can be caught. Makes you wonder where they get these muppets from :lol:
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Re: Assessment time :)

Postby *Lisa* » Mon May 14, 2012 7:39 pm

:wave:

Loving the sense of humour :lol: gave me a chuckle but sorry to hear it didnt turn out to be a good assessment but then i dont think there is such a thing :shock:

Good that your partner was there doing notes which you can use if it goes to appeal/tribunal.

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