24 points confused ...

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24 points confused ...

Postby jue-bug » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:18 pm

Hi can anyone help I scored 18 on the physical and 6 on the mental assessment
I understood that 18 points either together on on just one would put you in support group i have been put in WRAG...
any help appreciated thanx
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Re: 24 points confused ...

Postby susanasilva » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:31 pm

Hi there,
I wish I could help on that as, at the moment, I'm the one confused.
Have the feeling that, people like us, are made go round in circles.

Wish luck in your struggle.

Take care :cry:
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Re: 24 points confused ...

Postby animeemo3 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:33 pm

from what i understand, you can have 40+ points and still be in wrag, you have to meet at least one support group descriptor to be put in support group, no matter how many points x
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Re: 24 points confused ...

Postby jue-bug » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:45 pm

Thanks for the luck susannasilva and for your reply animemo3
Now if i only knew what the support group descriptors were :-? :-?
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Re: 24 points confused ...

Postby animeemo3 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:47 pm

its a little long, but here are the support group descriptors, a minimum of 1 met = support group x

1. Mobilising unaided by another person with or without a walking stick, manual wheelchair or other aid if such aid is normally, or could reasonably be worn or used.
Cannot either:
(a) mobilise more than 50 metres on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion; or
(b) repeatedly mobilise 50 metres within a reasonable timescale because of significant discomfort or exhaustion.
2.Transferring from one seated position to another.
Cannot move between one seated position and another seated position located next to one another without receiving physical assistance from another person.
3. Reaching.
Cannot raise either arm as if to put something in the top pocket of a coat or jacket.
4. Picking up and moving or transferring
by the use of the upper body and arms
(excluding standing, sitting, bending or kneeling and all other activities specified in this Schedule).
Cannot pick up and move a 0.5litre carton full of liquid.
5. Manual dexterity.
Cannot either:
(a) press a button, such as a telephone keypad; or
(b) turn the pages of a book with either hand.
6. Making self understood through speaking, writing, typing, or other means which are normally, or could reasonably be, used, unaided by another person.
Cannot convey a simple message, such as the presence of a hazard.
7. Understanding communication
(i) verbal means (such as hearing or lip reading) alone, ii) non-verbal means (such as reading 16 point print or Braille) alone, or iii) any combination of (i) and (ii), using any aid that is normally, or could reasonably be, used, unaided by another person.
Cannot understand a simple message due to sensory impairment, such as the location of a fire escape.
8. Absence or loss of control whilst conscious leading to extensive evacuation of the bowel and/or voiding of the bladder, other than enuresis (bed-wetting), despite the wearing or use of any aids or adaptations which are normally, or could reasonably be, worn or used.
At least once a week experiences:
(a) loss of control leading to extensive evacuation of the bowel and/or voiding of the bladder; or
(b) substantial leakage of the contents of a collecting device sufficient to require the individual to clean themselves and change clothing.
9. Learning tasks.
Cannot learn how to complete a simple task, such as setting an alarm clock, due to cognitive impairment or mental disorder.
10. Awareness of hazard.
Reduced awareness of everyday hazards, due to cognitive impairment or mental disorder, leads to a significant risk of:
(a) injury to self or others; or
(b) damage to property or possessions such that
they require supervision for the majority of the time to maintain safety.
11. Initiating and completing personal action (which means planning, organisation,
problem solving, prioritising or switching tasks).
Cannot, due to impaired mental function, reliably initiate or complete at least 2 sequential personal actions.
12. Coping with change.
Cannot cope with any change, due to cognitive impairment or mental disorder, to the extent that day to day life cannot be managed.
13. Coping with social engagement, due to cognitive impairment or mental disorder.
Engagement in social contact is always precluded due to difficulty relating to others or significant distress experienced by the individual.
14. Appropriateness of behaviour with other people, due to cognitive impairment or mental disorder. Has, on a daily basis, uncontrollable episodes of aggressive or dis inhibited behaviour that would be unreasonable in any workplace.
15. Conveying food or drink to the mouth.
(a) Cannot convey food or drink to the claimant’s own mouth without receiving physical assistance from someone else;
(b) Cannot convey food or drink to the claimant’s own mouth without repeatedly stopping,experiencing breathlessness or severe discomfort;
(c) Cannot convey food or drink to the claimant’s own mouth without receiving regular prompting given by someone else in the claimant’s physical presence; or
(d) Owing to a severe disorder of mood or behaviour, fails to convey food or drink to the claimant’s own mouth without receiving:
(i) physical assistance from someone else; or
(ii) regular prompting given by someone else in the claimant’s presence.
16. Chewing or swallowing food or drink.
(a) Cannot chew or swallow food or drink;
(b) Cannot chew or swallow food or drink without repeatedly stopping, experiencing breathlessness or severe discomfort;
(c) Cannot chew or swallow food or drink without repeatedly receiving regular prompting given by someone else in the claimant’s presence; or
(d) Owing to a severe disorder of mood or behaviour, fails to:
(i) chew or swallow food or drink; or
(ii) chew or swallow food
or drink without regular prompting given by someone else in the claimant’s presence
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Re: 24 points confused ...

Postby Sassy14 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:00 pm

Hi,

I suffer with Fibro but I also work in the disability field. I attended a benefits update last week and can answer your question.

You have to get at least 15 points to be found to have limited capability for work. The points can come from the physical health assessment alone or be combined with any scored under the mental health assessment. This would place you in the Work Related Activity Group.

In order to be placed in the Support Group you need to meet one of the descriptors a majority of the time or a majority of the time you attempt the task. These are different descriptors:

Mobilising Unaided by another person with or without a walking stick, manual wheelchair or other aid if such aid can reasonably be used.

Transferring from one seated position to another.

Reaching.

Picking up and moving or transferring by the use of the upper body and arms (excluding standing, sitting, bending or kneeling and all other activities already covered).

Manual Dexterity.

Making self understood through speaking, writing, typing, or other means normally used.

Understanding communication by hearing, lip reading, reading 16 point print or using any iad if reasonably used.

Absence or loss of control over extensive evacuation of the bowel and/or voiding of the bladder, other than enuresis.

Maintaining personal hygiene.

Learning tasks.

Awareness of hazard.

Initiating and completing personal action (which means planning, organisation, problem solving, prioritising or switching tasks).

Coping with change.

Coping with social engagement, due to cognitive impairment or mental disorder.

Appropriateness of behaviour with other people, due to cognitive impairment or mentai disorder.

conveying food or drink to the mouth.

Chewing or swallowing food or drink.

These descriptors all have further explanatory notes next to them but I don't currently have time to type it all especially with my fibro symptoms playing a part too.

I hope this helps.

If you would like me to explain any descriptor that you feel may relate to you then let me know and I will try to add those comments only.

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Re: 24 points confused ...

Postby jue-bug » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:05 pm

Thank you for clearing that up for me..
I am going to tribunal and will let you know how it turns out
xx
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