Had the boss on the phone

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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby rich44 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:15 am

Thanks it's definitely not that we have a very good sick policy of 6 months full pay and 6 months half pay last year my sick note was for 3 months and I didn't get a call at all.

If it was that I'd probably be less anxious tbh. Suffering with really bad dizziness today so staying in bed.

Got the Dr to deal with after my letter which I'm not looking forward to and the boss.

Pulling the duvet over my head now and staying put
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby Zia2014 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:52 pm

lolabolla has it spot on. We (the caring HR bods) DO care about people and want to help in any way we can. I am btw speaking on behalf of the caring ones as there are some that are not, but I can't speak on their behalf obviously.

Most absence policies will give manager a bit of discretion in when and how they contact people. That is not through a lack of transparency but because every situation is different. It is not appropriate to compare your situation with others because no two are the same. Also if you had a previous absence it may be that is why he is calling you during this one.

Also, sometimes people request to have no contact, usually via Occ Health or their GP. However that doesn't help work help you because they then wouldn't know what is going on. I know what you mean about contact being stressful, and sometimes it can be, but usually managers are only trying to understand so they can help. That does depend on the manager though unfortunately.

Your manager offering you a choice of venue is also good practice, it's better than it being dictated to you. It is usual to offer place of work or home or somewhere else.

I could go on and on (and on) about this, as I know full well from both 'sides' what is going on. When we are sick it is perfectly natural to feel 'got at', and sometimes contact can feel like the worst thing in the world. And yes, some HR bods/managers are NOT the greatest. But I have to say, most places I've worked (and I've been around) actually do care, and do want to help, and do things with the best of intentions. I know it can be hard to believe, especially if you meet a bad'un, but it's true.
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby rich44 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:37 pm

I know what you're all saying and where I am now is definitely one of the best employers out there. I've worked for some shocking places.

I've emailed the union guy there's no way I want anyone coming here, with 2 kids running about it'd be way too stressful. I'm more than happy to have a back to work meeting if I'm signed back on at any point but I don't see any point in meeting at the moment.

There's nothing they can do to help, he's offered to write to Dr's on my behalf but I don't see the point. The problem isn't environmental, I do have a problem with the new manager but moaning about him won't change anything, he's a complete (insert very rude word) within a week of him starting we were arguing and he was bullying me but they won't change anything and at the moment I just don't have the mental strength to fight my corner or argue.

I can barely face returning the Dr's call from yesterday.

To be honest between the call from gp about my letter and him calling and increasing this dose of duloxetine I'm feeling increasingly depressed I feel emotionally worse now than I have in years.
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby Zia2014 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:15 pm

Maybe a mutual place would be better then? Or you could also just be honest and say that now isn't a good time due to medication alterations, and suggest you call him when you feel stronger? I'm sure they would be okay with that.
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby TNK* » Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:53 pm

Just bite the bullet and ring him back, he might just genuinely be asking about how you are!!

A lot more than i have had, ive been off sick for 4 weeks so far, and not one of the managers have been in touch at all to ask how i am, some of my colleagues have text me or messaged me on FB.
even though ive got all managers on FB and they have my house number, mobile number, email addy and i live less than a mile away from work ive had nowt! not even a card!
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby Hannah24 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:01 pm

Hi,

Just out of curiosity does anyone know how much time you can take off sick (disability related) without losing your job. Everytime I'm off sick I worry that they are just waiting for an excuse to get rid of me. I don't know whether the time is related to the sickness policy of each organisation or whether there is a government suggested one.

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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby Zia2014 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:39 pm

Hi Hannah,

That is a 'how long is a piece of string' question I'm afraid. There is no general set limit, and even company policies don't state this. Usually all they have is a "target" from which they would start formal procedures. Some companies will do a return to work interview for each absence, whilst others don't.

Can you read a copy of your company policy? HR should have one. Out of interest, what sort of organisation do you work for (ie. public/private/charitable) and what size is it?
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby Hannah24 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:41 pm

Hi,

I work for a school. It's an academy though so it's not run through the council.

I have never had a back to work interview. In fact I didn't even see my boss for days after the last time. Unfortunately, it's one of those places where they lack compassion. Asking how a person is feeling would never cross their mind.

I do have a copy of their procedures but it doesn't say anywhere. When I asked at what point my pay would get reduced and I got a blanket response of " we will let you know before it gets to that".

Thanks for responding! x
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby rich44 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:18 pm

Via the county council ours is 6 months full pay, 6 months half pay which implies at least you should be able to go 12 months without losing your job, however nothing is black and white.
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby Zia2014 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:45 pm

Hi Hannah,

They sounds lovely and unhelpful. Sick pay rules do vary a lot, unless they are merely paying statutory - which from your description I'm not sure. Here are the details for SSP: https://www.gov.uk/statutory-sick-pay/overview

Rich - the length of sick pay doesn't guarantee how long an organisation would keep the employee - it all depends (as HR are fond of saying). Although it's probably fairly accurate in the NHS.
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby rich44 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:42 pm

Yeah I agree that's why I said implies, obviously if you were so I'll with no hope of getting better it'd be in everyone's interest for what schools like to call compromise agreements.

They usually used to pay off a teacher that's done something wrong but not enough to outright sack (powerful unions teachers) so often they say here's a good reference and 4 months pay, there's the door.

I think I'd be quite happy with that and it'd be below the ESA savings threshold so could then put a claim in for that and the stress would be off.

We'll have to see what happens at next Dr appt before 22nd

It's a real minefield and there's few hard n fast rules of how much time off before they look at dismissal etc
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby Zia2014 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:30 pm

rich44 wrote: for what schools like to call compromise agreements.

They usually used to pay off a teacher that's done something wrong but not enough to outright sack (powerful unions teachers) so often they say here's a good reference and 4 months pay, there's the door.



Not exactly.
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby rich44 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:49 pm

Errr I my experience that's exactly what they've been used for I've worked in schools since 2004 and seen them used that way many many times by SLT.

Most recently over dodgy marking of coursework

I'm sure they can be used in all kinds of scenarios as well but that's how I've witnessed them being used
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby Zia2014 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:42 pm

Not on computer so can't type much but that's only one use. Not a school only thing. Used in many different ways. "In your experience" is very different from "usually" and I have seen and issued far more than most people. I know an awful lot about them and been using them far longer than you have seen them. They're called settlement agreements now btw.

Just want everyone to know they are not just negative things.
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Re: Had the boss on the phone

Postby rich44 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:28 pm

Yeah I'm sure in the wider world they are I don't have experience of them outside education but like I say that tends to be what they're used for in sticky cases or where shall we say they don't want media attention if someone leaks it.

They're still referred to as compromise agreements in schools the case I was alluding to was last year.

I'm sure they can be used in all kinds of situations too, I just have experience of them in education. It's surprisingly very very hard to sack a bad teacher even just quantifying what is a bad teacher is really hard realistically you can't solely rely on results because of the variability in cohorts.

Plus County council solicitors tend to err on the side of caution. Plus whilst you're going thru the disciplinary route you're paying huge rates to stand in teachers, you can't use other teachers/cover supervisors in the school for more than 10 days and technically you shouldn't use non specialist teachers either.

I can see why these agreements get used, especially when all of this impacts education of students and ultimately results and league table positions and the ever important value added figure.

It's a right old nightmare, glad I don't work in school hr that's for sure.
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