Occ Health said no Ill health retirement - you'll be ok

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Occ Health said no Ill health retirement - you'll be ok

Postby paulfoel » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:10 am

Heard it all now.
Wife is a nurse and has been off for about a year. Pay run out now and it looks like termination is on its way. So considering Ill health retirement.

Latest visit to Occ Health - Oh you can't get IHR with Fibro you'll be ok in a few years. Hold the front page hes found a cure!

Last year or so has been an eyeopener sadly. Never ceases to amaze me that you work and pay tax all your life the someone is going to have an opinion that stops you claiming any sort of money/benefit despite not having a clue.
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Re: Occ Health said no Ill health retirement - you'll be ok

Postby Icarus » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:29 am

Paulfoel
That sounds ridiculous to me. This person obviously has NO idea what Fibro is. If sufferers with Fibro will be 'ok in a few years', then half the members on this forum should have perfect health!
It's unbelievable what some people think about the illness.


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Postby Jasperheidi » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:02 am

Hi Paulfuel. So sorry to hear your story. Im also a nurse off sick since Dec 2013!. I live in southern Ireland. My Occ health is sound however here its the social welfare dept that determines ones entitlement to illness and disability benefit and NOT occ health. Surely a specialist consultants diagnosis. Ie...rheumatologist or neurologist..has given their considered diagnosis?? There must be a means of appealing occ healths opinion and decision...if your wife is a union mrmber, advise them asap. If shes not....JOIN asap. Best of luck and kind regards to your wife.
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Re: Occ Health said no Ill health retirement - you'll be ok

Postby TheHud » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:45 am

Terrible way to treat someone, they obviously do not have the ability to do their job and should be retrained or sacked.

Agree, join unison they are better at helping out than the more fluffy RCN.
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Postby paulfoel » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:58 pm

TheHud wrote:Terrible way to treat someone, they obviously do not have the ability to do their job and should be retrained or sacked.

Agree, join unison they are better at helping out than the more fluffy RCN.


Unfortunately, unison rep has been absolutely crap so far. Waste of fresh air. He just sits in the meetings says nothing and doesnt want to get involved.

Everything so far, like this has been done by ourselves. Ask the union rep - reply you get is - dunno much about that.
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Re: Occ Health said no Ill health retirement - you'll be ok

Postby paulfoel » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:00 pm

Icarus wrote:Paulfoel
That sounds ridiculous to me. This person obviously has NO idea what Fibro is. If sufferers with Fibro will be 'ok in a few years', then half the members on this forum should have perfect health!
It's unbelievable what some people think about the illness.


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Amazing isnt it. This was an Occ Health doctor.

His words were "Theres no way you're ever going to get ill health retirement for fibro because its not permanent and it'll pass in a few years max". Nice one.

When wife said shes trying new tabs and has some improvement he also tried to say "substantial improvement then".
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Postby Icarus » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:02 pm

I would appeal it. It might be worth asking your wife's Rheumy to write a letter detailing the prognosis of Fibromyalgia. Also, the website www.gov.uk has some useful info on that I was just reading this morning as part of an Equality and Diversity course.
Feel free to PM me and I'll send you the PDF I was looking at that specifically mentions Fibro


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Postby sue cooper » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:22 pm

I also agree that Unison are absolutely crap! I had to use them in a situation I was in, she was useless, I was the one that had to speak up for myself, in the end I didn't bother telling her I was having a meeting I just took a friend as my rep! Phone ACAS they can and are really helpful.. I didn't think that HR can determine whether you fit for work or not? Surely it has to go to the HR Pysician? I would also get a letter off a good Rhumatology Consultant...if you have have had fibro for more than a year you will have it for the rest of your life? but a Rhumatologist should confirm this. Mine at Salford Royal was brilliant Proffessor Herrick, highly recommend her.
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Re: Occ Health said no Ill health retirement - you'll be ok

Postby Zia2014 » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:39 pm

If you're union rep is rubbish contact the regional office (details would be on the website) and ask for another, you should be able to get an alternative person.

Unfortunately OH knowledge of fibro varies (mine said it did not exist!), and IHR has strict guidelines :(
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Postby paulfoel » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:59 pm

Hmm. Just been reading the IHR guidelines - it does say PERMANENTLY up until retirement age be unable to do your job. i.e Forever.

Forever is a pretty long time so I wonder if this is what the OH doc has got in mind. But surely the nature of fibro is that we just don't know. Yes for the past two years wife has been unable to do her job - who knows in the future though how things will pan out. She might find a med that works and allows her to manage it or she might not. How on earth does this deal with it?

Can you even claim IHR and then, in say, 5 years be better and go back to work? How does this work?

Seems a bit much only paying out to people who will NEVER EVER EVER get better. Surely life is a bit too grey for this?
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Re: Occ Health said no Ill health retirement - you'll be ok

Postby paulfoel » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:59 pm

Zia2014 wrote:If you're union rep is rubbish contact the regional office (details would be on the website) and ask for another, you should be able to get an alternative person.

Unfortunately OH knowledge of fibro varies (mine said it did not exist!), and IHR has strict guidelines :(


Jeez - thats nuts.
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Postby Zia2014 » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:53 pm

Far as I remember (bearing in mind fibro memory) we gave IHR to some people where they had conditions that meant it would be likely they wouldn't work again for at least 5 years - or something like that, can't remember what. This was a while ago though. But we always went on medical reports from Occ Health (or a specialist). Is there any chance you can ask them to reconsider using a letter from her doctor?
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Postby Zia2014 » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:54 pm

paulfoel wrote:
Zia2014 wrote:If you're union rep is rubbish contact the regional office (details would be on the website) and ask for another, you should be able to get an alternative person.

Unfortunately OH knowledge of fibro varies (mine said it did not exist!), and IHR has strict guidelines :(


Jeez - thats nuts.


Not as nuts as him claiming CFS didn't exist either, then at the end saying that's what I had he was 100% sure :roll: x gazillion

I had great fun telling the GMC he was completely incompetent :mrgreen: Put the fear of god in him lol.
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Postby lynnb3 » Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:42 pm

Over the last 3 years I have also gone down the occ health route. I have fibro, Arthritas, Menieres Disease and I am bi-polar. I worked for Lloyds bank. I also was refused ill health and my employment was terminated. After visting occi health with strong letters from my GP and rhumatologist it then had to go to the board for their decision but occi health had put down that the route of the pain clinic had not been explored which to me did not make sense as they would have refered me to a specialist which I was already under ?. So on that basis I was refused ill health and finished for the reason of unable to do my job.
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Re: Occ Health said no Ill health retirement - you'll be ok

Postby paulfoel » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:49 am

Zia2014 wrote:Far as I remember (bearing in mind fibro memory) we gave IHR to some people where they had conditions that meant it would be likely they wouldn't work again for at least 5 years - or something like that, can't remember what. This was a while ago though. But we always went on medical reports from Occ Health (or a specialist). Is there any chance you can ask them to reconsider using a letter from her doctor?


They havent officially said no yet to be honest. Still waiting for the forms from manager....

This was just a review appoitment with OH and wife mentioned what she was doing..... So who knows....

The 5 years idea seems fair.
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