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Postby buxbunny » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:52 pm

I been given the go ahead by the misses we can get a puppy but i had a few questions as first time owner and fms sufferer.
I was doing a google search when i realized you guys have alot of pet pictures and also have fms unlike google.
I've always wanted a dog and my mums been dead against it but now i live away from home i can make the rules!
The changes to dla and esa and sorting out our finances mean we can afford it which was her main argument against it.

The setup
Theres me my partner 2 kids 3 and 6 month. live ground floor flat and back door leads to "communal garden" but really just grass that surrounds the building in an enclosure. We just put laminate wood flooring downstairs less than month and upstairs dirty old carpet thats been abused by my daughter so no lost there. I'm housebound due to weather and fms and my partner housebound as my carer.

I want puppy between husky/labrador/retriever with STRONG leaning to labrador.

I know a little but no true expierence so advice would be helpful.

Also how do you deal with walking dog and fibro.
I dont want my benefits taken away because i tried be proactive and get exercise walking the dog as right now get none and as a former gym rat before fm it gets me down. My previous hard work becoming muscle wastage and flab.
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Re: puppy, flat and fms

Postby babajane32 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:12 pm

FMCS,diabetes etc etc..have three children's,two with ASD ....have a very old lab that's grown up with my children.....total outlook.....golden lab is less energetic than black and brown, had hers as a rescue at 18 months.....far less hard work than the puppy stages, she's grown along with my children, is a very good dog,no problems,no chewing etc etc, doesn't run underfoot and never has, been highly therapeutic for the kids, for their learning of how to respect animals and people and is totally one of the family......however. Definately would never get one from a breeder as most labs have genetic problems especially allergies due to inbreeding, so I would never encourage breeding them. Also the effort quite puppies and small children especially with fms is very very hard work and can be stressful. Consider a rescue or similar maybe? However we do always sadden that we never got the puppy part of her life.....but definately proven a great thing in our house, both for children and company. Xx
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Re: puppy, flat and fms

Postby FluppyPuffy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:16 pm

Been online a bit too long, so not going to say an awful lot, but I will come back to this when I'm less foggy and :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I'm owned by a springie, she's been with us since being 8 weeks old, so hopefully there will be a bit of something in my ramblings that might make a bit of sense.

Before you decide which doglet is the right one for you, look into each and every breed you are considering in lots and lots of detail. You need to consider the size they will grow to, exercise requirements and types of exercise they need, it's not just about walking and free running time, you also need to consider mental stimulation and training, as it is when a doglet's mind is bored that things like chewing and destruction can happen.

There are also health problems with the doglet that need taking into consideration, not just things like vets fees, insurance etc but also things like known conditions (labs often have hip displacia, some goldie lines can have bowel problems) You would also need to give very serious consideration where you will be getting the doglet from. It's very easy for a backyard breeder or puppy farmer to pass themselves off as a decent an caring breeder, have all the right answers to everything you ask them, only for you to discover a little further along that the doglet has come from lines that have been over and interbred and has many health problems of it's own. A decent breeder will have had every possible check made on their doglet, right down to the genetic level an will be only too happy to show you all this info so that you know the one you choose will have the best possible chance of being a happy and healthy waggle~monster.

Somethng else to consider is if you could cope with the house training, obedience training, classes etc that come with a puplet, as it involves a lot of disruption, mess and loss of sleep at first. Just throwing that in as there are lots of wonderful doglets who have find themselves in rescues thru no fault of their own that might be an alternative for you. The older ones tend to already be trained, and just want a happy furever home of their own.


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Postby Spange » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:21 pm

Hi,

I don't have a dog, really really want one but decided it would be too much for me as I live alone and would be unable to walk it every day. I wish you luck in finding your perfect dog and maybe when you get him/her, you can share some photos. Why not go to a Rescue Centre? There are so many dogs out there needing a Forever Home. They are also neutered and microchipped, so that is one less cost for you to deal with. More often than not, the dogs are already house-trained and just want a loving home. A rescue centre would be my first choice, rather than buying from a breeder.

I would hope that you would not be punished for trying to get out and get the exercise. As long as you are not holding the leash (on a powerful dog, especially) and have your walking aid, I doubt there would be much they could say about it. It's awful how we live with this fear and black cloud hovering over us all the time. Huskies are quite powerful and energetic dogs and a lot of the time, having previous experience of owning a Husky is required. Labs are lovely, but also strong, with a tendency to be greedy lil piggies, so the twice daily walks are very important.

Make sure you research any breed as there are health issues to be considered.

Taking your dog to a training class will help as it will help the dog burn off some energy and provide it with mental stimulation.

Sorry I am not much use but I wish you luck!
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Re: puppy, flat and fms

Postby Pipsie » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:45 pm

I'd go for a whippet or something that sprints, not a hunting dog like a terrier or lab, etc, because they are easier to exercise. IF you're not feeling up to it, a few goes of fetch- like use a tennis ball and bat or golf club to really send it off- will exercise them well. Whippets are also good dogs in terms of liking the P and Q, and being dead affectionate. They're great with kids, and will go somewhere else rather than get naffed off if the sprogs are being a bit loud. Plus they're short haired which means less hoovering/allergies/smell. They also aren't that vocal. So no barking at the shadows!
I have spent my life with terriers but for us they are too much, into everything, challenging, mad, barky, Unless you get a really old one but for a young family having a pup/youngster than will be with the family is really the best. I will never for get Bea, our dog as a kid. Airedale terrier, the cleverest, dumb-ass dog ever. So sweet, protective and kind but huge and mad and stinky. I loved her! Hunting/working dog bredds are lovely but for a quiet, chilled, easy to exercise dog look up whippet or if you fancy something bigger a greyhound. Plus there are loads of rescues, and it is sooo rewardin rescues really do bend over backwards to try and please. I love having mine round her little face, is all soft and stuff. Oh and get a girl dog, I find they're easier, more understanding of the kids, and they don't have their junk hanging out all over the shop :p
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Postby buxbunny » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:41 pm

Thank you very much for the insight.

I've had my heart set and endless childhood dreams of a gold/black/yellow lab and the possibility of taking it off the list kills my enthusiasm, but i understand completely what you're saying that's why i was leaning towards puppy It gives it time to grow with the family... i dunno how long they take to get big. :-?

I did have a stray for a day on two occasions where ran away from it's owner called Rocky but have now idea what breed he was but i loved the way he'd jump on me every time he saw me and would lol when saw little cherry.

I think training would be good as it not only disciplines dog but also owners and could teach my daughters a few life lessons. lol at 3 years old.

My partner will do most the heavy lifting and days i'm down.

I would like to take on a rescue but i don't know what kind problems it come with especially young children but maybe when they're older i can try. Also I'm terrified all stories dogs mutilating children but i think down to owners as i have seen why some owners treat the more "agressive" breeds.

I feel less excited now/ :-?
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Postby FluppyPuffy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:46 pm

As you can see, there is a lot to think about with this, it's not something that can be gone into on a whim as it's a log term commitment for both you and your family and the doglet. And don't think that we're trying to put you off the idea, there are many things that you need to bear in mind, esp where little peoples and illnesses are concerned.

Puplets and small peoples don;t always mix well. The puplet will go thru a bitey, nibbly stage, partly because of teething and partly because of their age. The nips are very sharp and it's a little'un's natural reaction to squeal out loud and start waving arms abut and moving around. As the puplet will not understand this, they will probably take it as a sign of wanting to play which can escalate things further. As well as getting the puplet trained and knowing what is right and wrong, your kiddywinks will also need to be trained so that they know what they should and shouldn't be doing where the pooch is concerned, and training children is often far more difficult than the training the puplet :dogrun1:

You shouldn't be punished by the system for having a woofer. The "OK" for us getting one effectively came from a therapist I was seeing at the time who said whole heartedly that the benefits I could get from being owned by one could more than outweigh what most meds could give me, and it is across all my various files about the doglet and being essential to help with exercising as part of managing my conditions and problems.

What you would get from all the hard work needed with the doglet would be repaid over and over and over again by the unconditional love that a happy furbaby can give you, not just doglets, but all happy animals can make a huge difference to the huu~mons they own :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

This has probably given you even more to think about on the subject. If you can, sit down and write down all the thoughts and questions you have. There maybe some that we can help you with, but there is also a lot of info on the web. Most of the breed~specific rescues have their own sites and are more than happy to answer questions about the breed in general as well as give you info about any dogs they have in their care, as they sometimes have puppies as well as the older ones. There are many forums as well, some are general or may have boards for specific breeds, as well as breed specific forums, so there is plenty of places to find out all that you need before you make your final decision.


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Postby fletch » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:51 pm

The best friend you can ever have but it rips your heart out when their gone

A puppy will need loads of walks so if your not up to it don't get one
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Postby FluppyPuffy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:53 pm

Not all rescues come with problems, some of them have ended up there because of changes in family circumstances, not because they are a problem dog, and most of the people involved with these places are completely honest about the doglets in their care. They wouldn't just let you take a doglet after looking at it in it's kennel for a few mins. They usually suggest going to see the doglet a number of times, during different parts of the day, taking the doglet out and getting to know them, not just alone or with your OH, but as a family to see how you all get on together. What you have to remember is that no doglet is 100% perfect. Even if you have a puplet, there could be elements of the puplet's nature than can cause problems, such as being nervous or timid or easily spooked by things. Their personalities and foibles are as varired as ours can be, but when the right doglet and right huu~mon find each other, these things can be worked on and managed and lived with.


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Postby FluppyPuffy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:59 pm

And just before I :dogrun1: off for tonight..............

A puplet doesn't necessarily need lots of walks, in fact over exercising a young dog can lead to jooint problems later in life. The thing people tend to work on is five minutes for each month of the pup's age twice a day until the dog reaches maturity. And that doesn't include training or playing or anything. Plus 5~10mins for a training session can be more exhausting for a dog than an hours free running as it is working their brain, which takes a lot more energy up. Several of these training sessions thru the day, as well as lots of praise and love and rests (both huu~mon and puplet) all go towards a very happy and balance friend fur life :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:


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Postby Iceskatemum » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:26 am

Congrats for thinking about getting a dog for you and the family ,always think pets can teach our children so much about life and respnsibilites.
Like other more knowledgable folk have said you have to be very careful of which breed you get and even within breeds there are some fluctuations in size etc. With this in mind always try and see a puppy with its mother as then you get an idea of full grown size, temperament etc.

Good luck with the "find a dog project" hope you get something soon . Don't forget to let us know how you get on .
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Postby tonydin » Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:52 pm

first does the landlord allow pets ? whith a comunual garden there will be a lot of issues ,, how far do you have to walk befor a sutibial exersize place can be found . dont get a lab or retriver and on no account a collie or husky these are all working dogs that are not sutiablle for were you are, i would also advise agianst a springer , but some of the other spaial breesd may be ok , i think you need a small terrier cross type for your cicamstanses , which can be loverly dogs.

i can lend you a collie that still cant be let near strangers even after hours of work and theripy and enough exersize to trian for the dog olimpics if it existed . so you can come unstuck when your experianced, let a lone a first timer , by the way flup roseys down to 3 hours now berfor she accepts someone new which is a big jump forword , she ,d still go for you at the first meet though
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Postby LouLou » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:02 pm

Hi Bux

I must say that being owned by my doglet has been an absolute joy. Ours is a rescue, border collie cross lab and she is big and strong and so loving. I struggle to let her walk me all the time because of how strong she is and how excited she gets so my OH does share this with me. On bad days just just knows her "mummy" is hurting and she is so gentle with me and will cuddle up for hours with me.

There are so many factors to consider when deciding about getting a pet of any sort. The other posters have put a lot on here already so I don't have much more to add. I just wanted to add my own positive experience of being owned by a doglet.
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Postby SuperCat007 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:24 pm

I wouldn't still be sane without my dog, he is a rather crazy Cocker Spaniel.

I'm not going to post a huge amount because others already have. But just a few things... Of your choices a lab would probably be your most realistic bet, you can be really lucky and get a really chilled one but they will still need a lot of walking and training. They can be quite intelligent so you'll need to give him/her things to think about everyday.

I would steer clear of husky or anything like it, including cross-breeds, they can get aggressive because they NEED a lot of exercise and things to occupy their minds. So if you are both housebound with 2 children and a small-ish flat with a small garden this type of dog will not suit you. Sorry if that sounds really negative but they are getting a really bad name because people buy them because they're fluffy and cuddly and just cannot handle them. They are bred to work and therefore need to do so.

You would be better off researching breeds which are more traditionally 'pet' breeds, especially as this is your first dog. You will still need to take it dog training and give it exercise and things to do during the day. Something like a show-type cocker (try to go for black, they seem to have the calmest, cuddliest temperaments), cavaliers, yorkies etc. If you're getting a puppy then you also need to research the health tests that the parents should have before mating. Obviously these breeds that have been exploited to make nice pets have had a fair few genetic faults bred in, so ALWAYS buy from breeders who do the tests and whose dogs are clear and those who are transparent about the tests and breed faults. My dog's parents were clear but he has still ended up with a heart murmur which needs medication everyday, he was 2 when he was diagnosed. It can get costly. The same goes for rescue dogs, ensure you know the mix and any potential problems genetic, conformational or temperamental.

Wow, this turned into quite a long post. I hope it makes sense and helps you make your choice.
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Postby buxbunny » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:39 pm

Thanks for all great advice it's all quite insightful.

Alot of information to take in and quite rightly so as possibly life changing for next 10+ years.

I have prioritised that getting car than baby walking minimum stage want reach before the acquisition but in the meantime gives me time to read and research.

I did read up on husky seemed much harder work than a lab so i think i'm going lab pup to be honest.

Feel free to add anymore advice as i will still be looking for as much information as possible
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