Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

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Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby perseus » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:33 am

I'm sure it does. I have mysteriously been experiencing increasing back pain over the past month. This is not a symptom I normally get with Fibromyalgia, so I blamed it on sitting badly. However, I have started swimming lately in an attempt to maintain a basic fitness rate normally attained through walking which I can no longer maintain due to Plantar faciitis. Yesterday I finished a session of swimming and my back is so painful now, I woke up in the middle of the night and had to take pain killers. It must be down to the leg movements rather than the arms. Everything I try exercise wise ends up in disaster.
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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby LouLou » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:53 am

Hi perseus

As far as I know some people with FM cannot do much exercise or none at all as their symptoms are so bad. Maybe swimming is not the right form of exercise for you? Or maybe the water was too cold? Or you could have over done it a bit resulting in the extra pain.

But, as you say you never normally get back pain with your Fibro I would suggest a trip to the Doctors to get checked out just in case - with back pain/injuries you can never be too careful.

They may be able to give you something for the pain, or even suggest alternative exercises to try. I think it's great you are giving new things ago so dont be too disheartened at this set back. It can take a while and a fair few attempts before you find the right activities for you personally.

Hope that helps and hope you can get sorted soon.
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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby *Lisa* » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:04 am

I feel like that also.

Walking makes me have falls, swimming causes severe neck pain and all over aches and an exercise bike makes my legs unsteady and hives break out :roll:

The more gentle forms of exercise is things like pilates and hydrotherapy.

Neither one iv tried :oops:
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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby Sioriwish » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:51 am

Hello!

So, as far as I know, exercise actually helps fibro A LOT if you change your diet with it.
You have to make sure you're getting enough protein in your system to help repair your body. Even on a no exercising day and you just feel all achey and drained, have a protein shake, I've noticed that doing that has stopped me from aching so much in general, as well as after exercising. Also drinking water as that rehydrates you a lot better then any pop or juice etc.

Now I do pilates, with a bit of cardio, situps, starjumps. I also used to do yoga. Both pilates and yoga are great for fibro, as its more gentle then cardio, and they also help if you have hyper-mobility with fibro.
Depending on how I feel, I do around half hour - hour of pilates a day and I've found that it helps relieve the aches, as it stretches the muscles that are aching. Not only am I less achey, but I feel much happier as exercising is also a stress reliever, and that for us is a big bonus.

I would most definitely recommend starting pilates or yoga if possible if you want to start exercising. And just take it easy. Remember not to push yourself whenever you're exercising.

I hope this helps!

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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby LouLou » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:56 pm

Sioriwish

That's great that you have found something that helps you, I must admit yoga/pilates keeps popping up in my mind lately as something I'd like to try.

Pre FM I was the original gym bunny - down there 3-4 times a week for 2 hours at a time and I loved it purely because it was MY time to de stress, clear my head and would feel loads better after.

Once FM hit and started to get worse I was told not to go to the gym but to find some more gentle forms of exercise. I now do mainly stretches/sit ups/squats the kind of thing you see on a warm up/cool down section of dvd's and though some days it really hurts and I can't do very much I still try and do a bit of each exercise even if it's only 1-2 reps. I must admit I'm not as stiff as I used to be and I always feel better afterwards, and it actually hasn't made my pain levels any worse.

Do you do a class or use a dvd?
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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby Sioriwish » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:21 pm

I exericise at home, so I don't go to classes, I have used some yoga and pilates dvds before, but I just tend to do my own thing now that ik what moves to do etc. You can't really go wrong with it unless you over do it. They're really simple and easy so its definitely worth while to start doing it :)

I find it odd that you got told to stop going to the gym, my doctor has done nothing but nag at me to get to the gym, instead of doing that I've started doing it at home as its free and I can do it in my own time.
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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby LouLou » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:27 pm

Definitely got it in mind at the moment Sioriwish.

The only reason my Gp told me to stop was because he knows me so well he knows that I wouldn't just do gentle exercise while there and I'd end up over doing it. He wanted me to find alternative gentle exercise to build myself up slowly again while pacing. I'm the kind of person who pushes and pushes and I had to learn to stop doing that when FM hit me. He just didn't want me to over do things and do any damage to myself. I'm quite lucky in that I have a GP like him to be honest.

Must admit he was spot on with it and though I miss the gym I know I have to do what I can now to keep healthy and as pain free as possible.
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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby whoami » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:54 pm

I don't think that excercise damages our body in the way that a tear would.

I asked my Dr's the same question years ago when I first got fibromyalgia. I was told that the more I excercised, lightly, I may actually feel better.

Finding the right kind of excercise is the key. We are all different so we will not benefit from the same things.

Walking is the best for me, however I know I have to stop at a certain place because my lower back and hips start to hurt.
I won't stop though. I will go again the next day.

I love gardening. Still, after a while I have to stop. I don't do the digging mainly potting babies, weeding etc. I can get so stubborn I will be flat on the grass, stretched out weeding because it hurts my shoulders and neck after a while.
The girl next door once thought I had allen or worse because I was on the grass on my side. I was just moving my hands to weed, no other body movement,LOL.....I have a tendency to not want to stop.


Anyway....I feel excercise will benefit us if we pace ourselves (LOL) finding the right choice is the hard part.
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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby Alityke » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:59 pm

Sioriwish has hit the nail on the head. Exercise is now being considered the TREATMENT for fibro but it must be paced. Stretching and core work like yoga and pilates with some cardio e.g.swimming or walking cause humans to produce natural painkilling endorphins so help control pain.

Just cos you have fibro doesn't mean you can't get mechanical problems like back pain, this advice was given to me by my physio who has a specialist interest in fibro. In fact altered gait, which means moving in such a way to misalign our bodies to avoid pain can increase our risk. Not all pain is down to fibro. Exercising improves gait and posture and core strengthening protects from mechanical back problems. My advice would be to see a physio, even privately isn't extortionate and get your back assessed asap. They can give you exercises and relevant advice. Also I find acupuncture very helpful.
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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby perseus » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:58 pm

The medical profession generally assumes that exercise doesn't cause damage in fibros, at least not if it is maintained below the threshold consistent with that level of fitness, although for fibros this is likely to be very low. Therefore muscle tears etc are blamed on overdoing it . Chronic pain does not lead to damage, it is merely that the perception of pain is increased - is taught in pain clinic. I became suspicious of that assumption ten years ago having attempted to work up to jogging via stretching and walking exercises. It was quite useless, I could even see the bruises on the back of my calf. This was nothing to do with pain perception!

Of course jogging is out of the question now, and even walking has become difficult due to plantar fasciitis. With this problem, it isn't the muscle which is damaged, but the fascia surrounding it. Moreover I am not overweight, or have exerted excessive force on the feet - not in the last 10 years anyway, and had highly padded soles, yet it still gave way why? Now use of my legs when swimming rips my stomach and lower rib area. This is not mere ageing or pain perception, something is going wrong.

That's why I think to exercise successfully without damage any underlying metabolic condition has to be treated as well and this is being ignored. 153 out of 165 fibromyalgia patients (93%) were found to have deficient growth hormone release in response to strenuous exercise. http://www.jointmints.com/2013/growth-h ... -symptoms/ and what is growth hormone necessary for, repair of fibrous tissue, exactly what is damaged with plantar fascitis. Low growth hormone may also be responsible for Bursitis, another condition I have.
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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby Otter65 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:11 pm

Hi Tai cji is what works for me my GP recommended it as it involves light stretching of the muscles to gradually increase your muscle tone but also includes breathing exercises which helps with relaxation :-D

I'm very luck that my work holds classes so it doesn't involve making the effort to go anywhere else and once you have learnt enough of the exercises you can do as much or as little as you want at home :-P

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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby perseus » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:44 pm

More evidence of growth Hormone being implicated or useful in the treatment of FM

Functional defects in growth hormone (GH) secretion and its efficacy as a complementary treatment have been suggested for fibromyalgia. This study investigated the efficacy and safety of low-dose GH as an add-on therapy in patients with both severe FM and low insulin-like growth factor 1 levels. In this largest and longest placebo-controlled trial performed in FM (NCT00933686), addition of GH to the standard treatment is effective in reducing pain, showing sustained action over time.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22465047
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Re: Does exercise cause tissue damage in Fibro?

Postby perseus » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:10 pm

More I look into this and the more I'm convinced Human Growth Hormone would be helpful for those fibromyalgia sufferers who experience poor sleep and who suffer fibrous tissue damage on exercise since all the markers are that low HGH could be the problem.

Do we have any medical professionals on site who could comment on this?

Growth hormone Treatment of choice for fibromyalgia in France and Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK4zz6v13RQ

Fibromyalgia: Can Human Growth Hormone Treat It Effectively? -

http://metromd.net/?s=fibromyalgia#sthash.acLGT0jp.dpuf
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