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ESA from Work

Postby Callum243 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:15 am

Hello I am looking for some advice I am 19 and have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia for 1 year I am really starting to struggle with the condition mainly the mental side of it confusion etc.. but I am get other issues such as tiredness. I have been looking into ESA payment I am stuck between a rock and a hard place at the moment I can't carry on working due to fibro affecting me. The issue I have is I work as an apprentice although this doesn't qualify me for any sick pay for been unwell of the business so I can't just get help I contacted ESA inquiries for advice they just said there's nothing they can do at this current time due to you working if I quit my apprenticeship can I be turned down for ESA even with a sick note?

Got to admit things are getting worse I need to find a place to live fiancees and other problems I upset my family due to me not been like usually 19 year old how do use manage with fibromyalia what advice can you give me in this?

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Re: ESA from Work

Postby funeral007 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:54 am

You need to get the ball rolling by getting your GP to sign you as unfit for work and take it from there. Good luck.
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Re: ESA from Work

Postby Callum243 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:00 am

funeral007 wrote:You need to get the ball rolling by getting your GP to sign you as unfit for work and take it from there. Good luck.


This part should be straight forward I mean I can't seem to hold anything together get job done but I am worried about it due to my company don't accept no fit work notes which will mean quitting and possibly have no money the issue with this is that my family said I can't stay with them if I don't have money coming in.
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Re: ESA from Work

Postby *Lisa* » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:24 am

HI Callum & :welcome:

You will get the assessment rate which is around £57 a week for under 25's this is for 13 weeks and for this you will need sick notes. You will be assessed within this time or not long after (depends what area you live to the waiting times) and this will then put you into a group. The WRAG (working activity group) OR support group thats also :fingerscrossed: they dont declare you fit to work (whether you have a sick note or not!) and put you on JSA (job seekers allowance) where you'll be back to the start

When you get into a group you will no longer need sick notes.

I have a link for you to click on here that explains more : https://www.gov.uk/employment-support-a ... -youll-get

On the other questions, my daughter is 19 in a few days, she was also diagnosed with fibro & chronic fatigue so i know how you must be feeling. The main issue is family support at your age. Living with a chronic condition is hard enough being an adult/having a family etc but one of the most valnrable groups is the young especially young adults.

I dont know much about your situation to comment and please feel free to PM me anytime for advise but what you need is family support. Does any of your family have fibro? Have they researched/been told all about it? understand?

There are many many ways to try and help with symptoms, not everyone is the same we all differ in the way of pain and how bad it is etc and how we try to control it. You will read many posts on how severe people are, please bare in mind that some of these members also have other illnesses which contribute to worsening of pain levels.

Have you a good GP? there maybe some support in your area like support groups or clinics. Your GP if hey havnt yet can refer you to a consultant for pain management or your GP will help you themselves for trying different pain meds, maybe refer you to physio, if your struggling with mental health then there is CBT which can help you with chronic pain by teaching you lots of techniques to help like how to pace and not to over do things, how to avoid triggers, reduce stress and much more.

Finding a place being on ESA will come with its own issues but again all depends where you live. Where i am there is no landlord which will touch anyone on any benefits.
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Re: ESA from Work

Postby migrembe » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:30 am

If you are getting more money from work than you would getting ESA i would stick with it for now and get a fit note from your GP, they are no longer called sick notes any more. As for work not accepting fit/sick notes i don't think they have a choice.

If you leave work without them finishing you, you may not get any money at all from anywhere.

ESA is given to those who are unfit for work. It is given as a temporary payment to begin with until they assess you and then as someone has already said they can place you in one of either two groups - Work related (WRAG) or the Support group. If in the WRAG group they will expect you to turn up for training and interviews as they see your condition as temporary and will expect you to go back to work within a year (ish). If in the support group they will see you are unfit for work in the foreseeable future and allow you can access all the same training you do not need to.

If when they assess you they find that you are fit for work you will be able to claim Job Seekers allowance and will have to sign on and be actively looking for work.

As for your family, as a mother i have said to my now grown children that if they didn't work or go on suitable training then i would expect them to leave, however mother's don't normally mean these things. It is a difficult for people to understand something that they cannot see, but maybe you could invite your mother along to one of your GP appointments or specialist appointments so that the Dr can explain about the condition to her.

At the beginning we grieve for a life that we have somehow lost, but in time we adjust and things become more stable, but stop thinking there is a quick fix with pills and potions there isn't, although they can help when you get the right combination, which can take time, they are not the answer. You will need to try the alternatives to medication and that may include, exercise, food, massage, acupuncture, physiotherapy or meditation or all of the above.

Come back here and talk things out when you need to, it does help, especially when you think no one else is listening.

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Re: ESA from Work

Postby Jayne170 » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:16 am

It may be an idea to contact DWP and enquire as to what you can do, they may be another to put you in touch with someone who could answer your question if not. Good luck
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Re: ESA from Work

Postby Callum243 » Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:09 am

Apprenticeships don't accept fit notes etc due to apparently needing to complete the training in certain time period if you don't turn up no pay I have been told apprentices are not entitle to sick pay which is screwing me over.
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Re: ESA from Work

Postby bandj » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:35 am

Hi Callum,

I'm sorry you're having such a worrying time.

if you go on the direct.gov website that will have more info. You may also be entitled to PIP (personal independence payment). When you put in claims for ESA and/or PIP, tell them exactly what it's like on your worst day. They may contact your doctor or you may need to go to an assessment. You can take someone with you to an assessment so don't worry that you have to go alone. If you do need to go to an assessment come back and ask for tips as there are pldnty of us who have been to an assessment. I don't want to overload you with too much info right now.

re your family, ask them to help you find out more about fibro by researching on the net. This forum is a great place to start. There is also a good info leaflet from one of the arthritis charities. I think its ARC and I'm sort but I can't remember what ARC stands for.

I hope things ease up for you soon.
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Re: ESA from Work

Postby migrembe » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:48 am

Callum243 wrote:Apprenticeships don't accept fit notes etc due to apparently needing to complete the training in certain time period if you don't turn up no pay I have been told apprentices are not entitle to sick pay which is screwing me over.


Someone said consider contacting the DWP and/or the job centre and see if they can be of any help.

Tell work you don't necessarily want paying sick pay, but you need to (kinda) register that you are unfit for work due to ill health and a sick note is the only way you can do that.
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Re: ESA from Work

Postby Queenie_70 » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:49 am

Hi Callum,

If you are approved for ESA, you can also contact the local authority and see if you can get housing and council tax relief. There are agencies out there like Shelter that might be able to assist you get into a place, (if you don't have one), or if your parents threaten to throw you out. They would have to write a letter to that effect, but you would be a priority for some sort of shelter.

PIP would be a move forward, but it does take a while for it to process, so ESA is the first step. Get any and all evidence from your GP. Fightback UK has a great website that has templates of letters that you can print off and have your doctor fill in the gaps, as it were. Also they have a step-by-step guide on what you can do to get the financial help you need in crisis.

I truly hope this all works out for you. Please keep us in the loop.

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Re: ESA from Work

Postby Callum243 » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:56 am

migrembe wrote:
Callum243 wrote:Apprenticeships don't accept fit notes etc due to apparently needing to complete the training in certain time period if you don't turn up no pay I have been told apprentices are not entitle to sick pay which is screwing me over.


Someone said consider contacting the DWP and/or the job centre and see if they can be of any help.

Tell work you don't necessarily want paying sick pay, but you need to (kinda) register that you are unfit for work due to ill health and a sick note is the only way you can do that.


I contact DWP about advice for ESA about my current situation I got the reply you'll need to quit your job before we can help you yet if I quit I may not be entitle to ESA :(
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Re: ESA from Work

Postby Callum243 » Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:53 pm

Just want to possibly close this thread up due to finding a solution and saying thanks to people for replying I managed to get things sorted with ESA due to that not been a possible thing I went back to my GP and asked about it they've give me a fit note with alternations to the physical and mental stain at work advised reduction of work if the apprenticeship still wants me although I may fall behind in training due to the hours this could be an issue although they will need to let me go.... which will possibly open other doors.

As for the family matter I managed to discuss it with my grandparents who where much more understanding that my parents and are now helping me.

Thanks for advice.
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Re: ESA from Work

Postby bandj » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:54 pm

Callum, I'm glad to hear you sounding more positive.

After I wrote my earlier post I remembered that if you earn less than a certain amount per week and you work less than 16 hours per week you may be entitled to claim jsa which would then entitle you to help with prescriptions as well as housing benefit. I know jsa isn't right for you due to the fibro but it would help you financially.

Good luck with all you do.
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