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Re: Anxiety

Postby loubie » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:23 pm

hi all :wave:

have just read through your posts on anxiety
an wow! it has really opened my eyes to a lot of my own problems
i will not make a phone call to anyone i do not know
i hate going anywhere on my own not even to local shop
most of the time don't wont to leave the house
will not open the door to unexpected callers
have always been like this although it has got worse over the last 12months
it was a big step for me to put my first post on this forum
but that was the best thing i have done for a long time :D

glad i am not loopy

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Re: Anxiety

Postby ladymanvers » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:19 am

You def aint loopy Loubie! Those things you daren't do are as a result of linking. When you are having an anxiety attack and the adrenalin and cortisol are acting upon you just as sure as if you'd been given an unwanted injection of a drug, your primeval self (your inner cavewoman) links - by way of a 'survival' technique - your fear with where you're at.

For instance, if you were walking past a gate on a street and suddenly a viscious, snarling dog jumped up at that gate to try and leap over and attack you, you would be terified, link that feeling with the dog and the gate in order for you to learn to avoid that road in future.

That's all well and good with a REAL fear but if your anxiety attack happens (sometimes delayed from a slow build up over weeks of stress) for instance in the supermarket, you instantly (before rational thought has chance to kick in) LINK your feelings with the supermarket. Hence you then want to avoid the supermarket next time. If you then give in and DO avoid it you then re-inforce the neural link in the brain (learnt behaviour).
This linking can affect all sorts of things, sometimes people, loved ones or pets and then you start to think you're 'mad'; 'crazy' or will lose control. I read in a self help book YEARS ago about case studies . One nurse who looked after small babies in the maternity ward had been overworking, over stressing and was over tired (that happens a LOT to FM sufferers doesn't it with even minimal efforts?) and anyhow, this nurse, poor girl, had a panic attack at work while carrying a baby; LINKED it to the baby and was so terrified she thought she might throw the baby down. This unbidden thought caused another rush of adrenalin which re-inforced the thought and prolonged the panic attack!

So, do you see, even with a situation like that, that makes one think one is 'nuts', YOU AREN't!! Remember that all of you who suffer anxiety to that degree. You are anxious, not crazy!!!

Love and hugs you intelligent lot (only clever folk suffer badly from this cos we analyse and convince ourselves we're mad!!!

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Re: Anxiety

Postby gillshutt » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:49 am

Also, because people with FM have messed up brain chemicals, including th efight or flight chemical substance P, we are on constant alert for trouble and see it everywhere. Our body is telling us there is something scary out there... hence the 'don't answer the phone or ring strangers' 'don't go to the door' 'don't go out' Your brain is wary of everything in case it's a threat.

Unfortunately all you can do is push through it, it's not going to go away... but then the linking kicks in if anything, even something small, does happen :( A tiny upset and your brain screams 'SEE I TOLD YOU IT WAS DANGEROUS! :shock: :shock: :yikes: ) and then we have anxiety attacks. It's a difficult ont to deal with and takes a lot of struggle. :hugs:
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Re: Anxiety

Postby ladymanvers » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:28 pm

Yes Gill,

My 'alarm' response is very over exaggerated; even when the doorbell rings or the letterbox bangs when the postman comes it makes me 'jump' and startle like a frightened rabbit; my OH laughs at me for it! :oops:

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Re: Anxiety

Postby emylou29 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:55 pm

Firstly thanks Ju for pointing me in this direction :o)

I suffer with various things including Anxiety, OCD, minor panic attacks and Palputations... I had mild palputations when pregnant but other than that I have never suffered with any of the other symptoms mentioned! The anxiety keeps me awake at night at times, I find it hard to switch off and the OCD I believe is related to the anxiety as its constant checking things are off and doors are locked.. etc

I have read a lot about people suffering with anxiety, does anyone have OCD that has started or got worse since being disgnosed.
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Re: Anxiety

Postby hamstergirl » Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:32 pm

Hi

I'm at docs tom. Hoping to discuss the severity of my anxiety. Just hope I don't back out tomorrow morning. I should have gone Thursday but cancelled.

I feel so silly saying I'm too scared to drive and too scared to take tablets! He'll prob think I'm nuts but feel I need this sorted because it's cost me a job! Now I've no job but hopefully will whenmy nerves have calmed down!

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Re: Anxiety

Postby loubie » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:52 am

hi lorraine
when you get up in the morning and getting ready to go to the docs
just remember we are all with you too
you are not silly and defo not nuts. try an be strong tell him/her all about it
be thinking of you
all the best :hugs:
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let us know how you get on :hugs:
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Re: Anxiety

Postby hamstergirl » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:15 pm

Hi

Well i went to see my gp today. He was really nice and he has suggested that i go and see a councillor. He said that because i've a phobia about taking tablets this would be my best option and he thinks its more effective in the long run.

He his going to arrange this, it will be at the docs and waiting list is on approx 3/4 weeks!

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Re: Anxiety

Postby loubie » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:27 pm

well done you !
lets hope it all works out for you now
and get the help you need
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Re: Anxiety

Postby ladymanvers » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:49 pm

Well done Lorraine! The first step is always the hardest... :clap: :)
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Re: Anxiety

Postby shazq » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:58 pm

Thats great Lorraine hope it all goes well with the councillor. :hugs:
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Re: Anxiety

Postby Raine » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:42 am

:yikes: I think I had a anxiety attach last night,never had one before but have always been of a nervous disposition. Hubby was away with work and my eldest son (21) had a friend round, now this friend has been round numerous times before and is a nice lad.

I turned in about 9.30pm as I was feeling exhaused but couldn't get to sleep, then my heart started racing and my breathing became shallow and for some unknow reason I started to feel panickey, every sound was exagerated and I started to sweat. I lay huddled under the duvet trying to workout what was happening. This lasted for sometime before it seemed to pass and I fell asleep. Woke this morning feeling like I had been hit by a bus, ache all over and feel spaced out.

Does this sound like it was an anxiety attack I've never had one before that I can remember. :?:
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Re: Anxiety

Postby gillshutt » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:50 am

It does sound like it could be a panic attack, I would mention it to your gp if it happens again :hugs:
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Re: Anxiety

Postby Brimstone » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:40 am

Last week I posted some useful anxiety tips that I found on the Internet (topic ‘Relieving emotional stress’ in the ‘Living with Fibromyalgia’ forum). Should have posted it here but only found this topic today.

There is a science that some of you may have heard of called NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) that could also be used for controlling anxiety. This uses the association the subconscious mind makes with the normal senses of touch, sight etc. to allow people to overcome any mental difficulty, not just anxiety. It works like the links Ladymanvers described earlier in this topic, but used in a positive way.

NLP methods have proved to be very effective. In one of the classes I attended we each had to select a problem we had. I chose a difficulty I sometimes had in falling asleep at night as my brain would just keep chugging away and I couldn’t seem to wind it down. In the class I had to sit relaxed with my eyes closed and imagine a scene when I was very relaxed and sleepy. My class partner then talked me through the scene and every time I mentioned hearing a sound or sight or feel, she would press a point on my wrist that I had designated as my anchor point. That had the effect of associating the touch of my anchor point with the feeling of relaxed sleepiness.

That night when I was starting to toss and turn with sleeplessness I decided to try out the NLP method, albeit with some scepticism. I pressed the anchor point on my wrist with the thumb of the other hand and that was the last thing I remembered that night! I used the method a couple of nights later and it worked again. I have used it with some success on occasions since then although theoretically the anchor needs to be reinforced every few days.

I’m sure this could be used to help overcome stressful situations, and maybe even help you sleep better. If anyone is interested in trying it I will be happy to expand on the methodology. You can look it up on the Internet to find out more about the science.
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Re: Anxiety

Postby gillshutt » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:24 am

NLP is part of CBT so if you get help from a CB therapist they may well use NLP methods.

The relaxation technique I put up in tips is taken from NLP.
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